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McMurtrie | McMurtry DNA Project

The DNA Project is open to new participants.

As a member of the McMurtrie | McMurtry Society, you are welcome to take part in our exciting DNA Project.  Testing a male McMurtry in your family has the potential to expand knowledge of your family’s ancestral roots in Ireland and / or in Scotland. 

New DNA Project participants receive complimentary first-year memberships in the McMurtrie | McMurtry Society for themselves and a family member (worth $40).

Also, participants in the McMurtrie | McMurtry DNA Project receive a 33% discount on the cost of having their own or a family member's DNA tested.

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McMurtrie | McMurtry DNA Project Report
(July 2005, rev. March 2008)

This report summarizes the results of DNA samples from 30 McM in 19 different McM families from around the world collected between 2003 and 2008.  We have DNA results from 20 of the 95 families that have been traced back to the 1700s or early 1800s in Ireland and Scotland.  It represents the first attempt to use this amazing DNA technology to shed light on the early history of the various McM families.

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Worldwide Pattern

Though we have many more families to sample, the initial results imply that all McMurtrie/McMurtry families seem to descend from three different ancestors:  (1) an ancestor whose DNA was characteristic of descendants in “Eastern Ayrshire” and centered in Dalmellington and Craigie Sorn parishes, (2) an ancestor whose DNA was characteristic “Western Ayrshire/ Co Antrim”, and is ancestor to many families in both Ireland and Scotland and (3) an ancestor whose DNA was characteristic of “Co Derry” in northern Ireland.

To our surprise, most of the McMurtrys, who settled in colonial America and early 1800s Canada and who were from the northern Ireland, bear the “Western Ayrshire/Co Antrim” DNA signature.   The McMurtrie family that settled in Philadelphia in the 1750s was from Dalmellington and bears “Eastern Ayrshire” signature.  The McMurtry family that settled near Ottawa in the early 1800s was from Co Derry and bore the “Co Derry” signature.

The question about whether the McM were originally from Scotland or Ireland has not yet been answered and the answer may prove to be “BOTH!”   However, we have established that some of the old Scottish families of western Ayrshire share a common ancestor with the old Irish families of Co Antrim.

The original vision of Alexander McMurtrie, founder of the MacMurtrie Clan Family Records in 1938, was to trace all the McM back to a common ancestor.  Though the DNA indicates this will not be possible, nevertheless it may be possible to connect most of the McM families in the world to a small number of progenitors.

Latest Interpretation of the New Jersey and Virginia McM Connections

For many decades, McM family historians have wondered about the possible relationship between the three Sussex/Somerset County New Jersey brothers (Joseph d 1761, Robert d 1777, and Thomas d 1788) and the two Alexander McM in colonial America – one being Alexander McM d 1761 in Hunterdon Co, New Jersey (CF112) and the other being Alexander McM, father of the two brothers Capt John and Samuel McM (CF111) who settled with their widowed mother in Augusta County, Virginia by 1751.     

The data indicate the Sussex/Somerset County New Jersey and the Augusta County, Virginia families are only 2 mutations from each other.  This suggests an 80% chance of common ancestor within 2 generations of coming to America and a 90% chance of a common ancestor within 11 generations of coming to America.   Hence, they may indeed have been close enough cousins in Ireland to have known each other before coming to America.

Equally interesting is the Alexander d 1761 of Hunterdon Co New Jersey is only 1 mutation from the other two New Jersey-Virginia family groups, perhaps a missing link between them and suggesting a close connection between all three of them.

Even more fascinating is that these colonial immigrants seem to share a common ancestor with 6 families of Irish origin and 2 families of Scottish origin.  Further testing is needed to determine how far back in history that connection lies.

Connecting the McM Throughout the World

The McMurtries and McMurtrys sampled to date can be grouped into three DNA patterns:  “Eastern Ayshire”, “Western Ayrshire/ County Antrim”,  and “County Derry” Group.

 The Western Ayrshire/ County Antrim Group

 The “Western Ayrshire/ County Antrim” Group contains all the New Jersey families, 6 Irish families, and  2 Scottish families, as listed below:

New Jersey Families

 CF-110: Thomas McM d 1788, Robert McM d 1777, Joseph McM d 1761 of Sussex and Somerset County, New Jersey

CF-111/110: Joseph and James McMurtry of  New Jersey, Virginia

CF-111: Samuel McM d 1796 of Augusta Co VA and Abbeville SC and Capt John McM d 1790 of Augusta Co, VA and Lincoln/Mercer Co, KY

CF-112: Alexander McMurtry d 1761 Hunterdon County, New Jersey (including Hugh McMurtrie of Northumberland Co, Pennsylvania and Alexander McM of Orange Co, New York, Bridgit McM md Abel Everitt 1781)

Irish Origin Families

CF-117: William McM, migrated from Co Antrim, Ireland d. 1808 Laurens County, South Carolina

CF 103: James McM b. pr. 1840 md Isabella Carr, Scotland; Philadelphia

CF 121: John McM b ca 1700, Ballyraber, Bruslee, Co Antrim

CF 201: Randall McM b 1783 & Matthew McM b 1787, Is. Magee, Co Antrim;

CF 202: William McM b 1778, Co Antrim and Co Carlow->Bowmanville, Ontario

CF 204:James McM b abt 1820 Carrickfergus, Co Antrim

Scottish Families

CF 39: James md Jane Johnston 1800 Maybole

CF 15: Robert b ca 1780 Co Down ->Inch, Wigtownshire, Scotland

 The County Derry Group

 The County Derry Group contains 3 Irish origin families – two of which are known to have come from Derry and one is probably from there based on genetic similarity to the first two families.

 CF 203: James McM b. 1794 Ireland-> March Twp, Ontario & John McM b 1803 Ireland->March Twp & McGillivray Twp, Ontario

CF 211: Alexander & Betsey McM b ca 1780, Co Derry->Massachusetts

CF 206: John McM b ca 1805 Co Tyrone->New Brunswick

The Eastern Ayrshire Group

The Eastern Ayrshire Group contains three Scottish origin families:

CF-113: David McM 1721-1785 and William McM 1740-1807 of Dalmellington, Scotland and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

CF 23: John McM b. ca 1735 Craigie, Coylton

CF 104: Gilbert McM md Marion Dick 1805 Dalrymple, Scotland

Results Discussion

As the first results came in, we thought that the Scottish and the Irish McM had distinctively different signatures and hence we thought we had discovered that the Scottish and Irish McM did not share a common ancestor.  This challenged the commonly held view that the Irish McM (including those who went to America) had originally come from Scotland to Ireland.

But as more results came in, we began to see differences within Ireland – principally between the families with origins in Co Antrim and those in Co Derry.  Then we also saw that the Scottish families were divided between those having a “Eastern Ayrshire” signature and those having a Co Antrim signature.  So “the jury is still out” in terms of deciding whether the McM origins are all Scottish or all Irish or whether certain Scottish families have Irish origins or whether certain Irish families have Scottish origins.   

But we have not as yet found any Co Derry signature families in Scotland.  The County Derry families appear to be an entirely separate group with solely Irish origins.

Co Antrim Signature

At this point, a somewhat dazzling array of eleven different major families are part of the Antrim Group.  They all tend to be within one or two genetic differences between the CF 111/110 family.

With respect to the New Jersey McMurtries (CF110/111), the samples from descendants of Robert McM d 1777 and Thomas McM d 1788 tended to be within a genetic distance of 2 from one of the descendants of Joseph McM d 1761.   And descendants of Capt John McM and Samuel McM (CF111) were also within a genetic distance of 2.  Surprisingly, the samples from the desc of Alexander McM d 1761 Hunterdon Co New Jersey (CF112) and the desc of the Bowmanville Ontario McM (CF 202) was only a distance of 1 from the desc of Joseph McM d 1761.   Further, it was also a genetic distance of 2 between the Joseph McM desc and (1) the Co Down to Co Wigtownshire family (CF 15),  (2) the Island Magee family (CF 201), (3) the Irish immigrant family to South Carolina (CF 117), (4) a Carrickfergus family (CF204), (5) the Bruslee/Ballyraber Co Antrim Family (CF 121).

We were surprised to not see a lesser distance between the three branches of the Joseph, Robert, Thomas CF 110 family.  And we were surprised to see the closeness with the Ontario and Hunterdon County families for which we did not expect a close relationship.  We were pleased to see only a distance of 2 with the Capt John/Samuel McM family since family historians had long hoped to see a close connection there.  Seeing that several of the Scottish families also had this pattern suggested a large inter-related group of families.  The close connection to the Laurens County SC family and the Island Magee family was a delight as it tended to locate this group as having a Co Antrim origin.

Co Derry Signature

CF 203 (Ottawa McM: James McM b 1794) and CF 211 (Co Derry 1830 census->Massachusetts: Alexander McM b ca 1780) are only a distance of 1 from each other which suggests a close relationship.  Both these families appear to have lived in the south of Co Derry, not far from the Co Tyrone border.  CF 203 is a distance of 3 from CF 206 (Co Tyrone to New Brunswick)   This suggests some degree of relationship especially in comparison with the genetic distance of 7 or 8 from the Co Antrim family; so we are considering them a distinct group pending gathering of more samples from this group of families. Artrea

Eastern Ayrshire Signature

The three families of CF 113 (Dalmellington McM), CF 23 (Sorn, Craigie), and CF 104 (Dalrymple, Ayr) were all within a distance of 2 from each other.   They are a distance of 12 to 15 from the other two signatures. 

The DNA results have caused us to speculate that David McMurtrie, father of Gilbert McMurtrie b 1775 of CF 104 may be the David McM born in Dalmellington in 1735.

In sum, it appears that all McM families come from these three ancestral roots.  Most families studied so far seem to come from the same genetic roots in Co Antrim and western Ayrshire. 

Next Steps

 Some possible next steps include:

American Families

1.      Get samples for the Joseph d 1761 line (Judge John 1738-1792, or Joseph md 1759 Susannah Patton); for the Robert b 1749 line, son of Thomas d 1788; for the Robert Emmett line of CF 101/110.  These samples will better define the genetic pattern of the progenitors (Joseph d 1761, Thomas d 1788 and Robert d 1777).
 

2.      Get samples from a first cousin and third cousin of Richard K. McMurtry to confirm when the genetic mutations occurred in his line and to confirm our assumptions about 4 mutations in 200 years being the high range of normal.

Scottish Families

3.      Get one sample from a family in each Scottish parish to see if there is a predominant Scottish ancestral signature or not and whether there is any geographically related pattern differences within the signatures in Ayrshire.

4.      Get samples from the Edinburgh/New Zealand/Australia McM to see if their patterns match the “Ayrshire” or Irish signatures.

All Families

5.      Get one sample from each of the 100+ McM families to determine the breadth of genetic difference/similarity within the entire Clan.

6.      Experiment with a larger set of genetic markers to see if patterns emerge that distinguish between branches that appear very similar when using a smaller set of genetic markers.

Thanks to all those who participated or contributed to this study!  Without your support, we would not have made the progress that has been made.

 

 

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